I honestly wasn't aware you were allowed to play more than 12 guys in one game....but the bench cleared as the Cougs just couldn't seem to miss.
So if I told you that in the 1st half: Baynes didn't score a single point, we didn't get to the free throw line once and a Kyle Weaver sighting was the highlight, how many points would you think we were down?
Didn't see the game, so not a ton of analysis, but I still have my reservations about Mike Harthun and why he's getting minutes. In the last four games he's played (@ASU, @Stan, @Cal, UO), our opponents have gone on a run pretty much the second he checks in. How many times in a row before it stops being coincidence. Suffice to say, he shattered Daven's plus/minus low for the season....on the bright side, Taylor also broke Daven's plus/minus HIGH for the year (crazy that Daven had both the high and low end of the pole). When your point guard has a high plus/minus, it's nearly impossible to lose.
Anyway, the stats: for the record, I am hesitant to include Boeke, Bailey, Lodwick, Witherill or Enquist, as they all had a -30 just for checking in....but I'm sure they'd rather know their stats...
| Rochestie | +39 |
| Thompson | +31 |
| Koprivica | +21 |
| Harmeling | +13 |
| Casto | +9 |
| Baynes | -5 |
| Forrest | -5 |
| Capers | -11 |
| Lodwick | -25 |
| Boeke | -33 |
| Bailey | -33 |
| Witherill | -35 |
| Enquist | -37 |
| Harthun | -47 |
Not a misprint.....Harthun had a -47.
Boeke also had 3 fouls in 3 minutes. So the comparisons to Baynes' early years continue....
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So on your plus-minus calcs, you include the total amounts both teams score when a player is on the bench, right? For some reason I thought +/- was only for when you were in the game, so if your five guys were outscored by 4 during your minutes you'd have a -4.
A plus/minus is essentially the time you were on the court minus the time you were on the bench. You can use a raw formula, such as the one you described, but it doesn't calculate the player's impact on the game.
For example last night, using raw data, when Harthun was on the court, Oregon beat us by 9 points. That in itself only shows half the story, because when Harthun was on the bench, we outscored the Ducks by 38.
Yeah, okay. But to me that 9 points is a better evaluation of Harthun's individual performance, because we don't know (just by the numbers) who was playing for either team when he was on the bench. At least with his minutes on the court the score is something he can control. Whereas the total +/- seems a better indicator of Harthun's contribution to the team success. I guess it depends on what you want to measure.
I get where you're coming from, but it's really not the case. You need some metric of comparison, in this case to other members of the team. It's like saying scoring 50 points in WSU's offense is the same as scoring 50 points in UW's offense, when we all know that WSU's figure would be much more impressive given the number of possessions.
here's a better example. When Baynes was on the court, we outscored Oregon by 12 points. But when he was on the bench, we outscored Oregon by 17. So the stat shows we were actually a better team with Baynes on the bench, which was definitely the case for at least the first half. So for the game, rather than getting a +12, he gets a -5. Of course he can't control how well the team plays when he's on the bench, but it shows how well the team was able to play both with and without a particular player.
If you want to read more about the plus/minus stat, check this out:
http://www.82games.com/rolandratings.htm
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